Archive:2007 Workshops/Free Video and Open Media
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Leaders: Dean Jansen and Ben Weeks
Attendance: Ben, Dean, Elizabeth, Rebecca, Jacob, Zack, Annie, Brett, Karen, Sharon, Mika
- 1 Proposals
- 2 Line-by-line notes
Pressure online video outlets (esp. YouTube) to be more free
- Offer source video for download, not just flash
- Archive.org is great in this regard, but their interface is TERRIBLE.
- Post license information
- Moving toward this with CC music videos?
- Raise awareness among prolific YouTubers about CC/alternative licensing
- They already have an awareness of media being less something to own than something to share
- In the meantime...
- We can't tell indie video producers to handicap themselves further by only using more obscure video sites. Use YouTube--just put your license info and whatever in the description.
The issue of channels
- The movement back towards channels is somewhat troubling--do we want the Internet to become just another TV?
- Things like Joost are fully proprietary
- YouTube favorites, etc. are public, but limited to one site
- Blogrolls, DTV etc. are better
- However... There is no way one person can look through the 13,000 videos a day posted on YouTube (let alone anywhere else!). People already use filters formally (RSS feeds, favorites lists) and informally (links from friends) and they always will.
- Also, there is a demand for a less fragmented experience, for a "flow" in your internet video consumption.
- The important thing, then, that separates "Internet TV" from TV is the number of gatekeepers. Everyone should be able to make a "channel," not just five megacorps. The megacorps will almost certainly still be big (c.f. the New York Times as the #1 "blog") but the long tail should be preserved.
- What if we created a video aggregator/"channel" to promote CC-licensed video works, along the lines of Antenna Alliance?
- Virtually all the video sites out there right now use ads. Is this the right model?
- Look at Tivo--people hate ads and will try to avoid them.
- It's not too hard to take an ad-encumbered video, remove the ad, and repost it somewhere else...
- Other models:
- Video micropayments
- Option of donation or ad
Artists as techies
- Artists want to create art, not to spend their time uploading videos to Revver
- At the very least, tech stuff and web marketing are not typically their area of expertise
- Should their be an artist web promotion co-op? Is there any way to have a middleman relationship that isn't exploitative?
- Or is tech literacy simply a component skill of being in new media?
- We should help inform artists about the web/open source tools available to them and teach them how to use them effectively.
Open source development
- The gap between industry standard video equipment (Final Cut Pro, etc.) and open source alternatives (Kino, Ubuntu Studio) is way too wide. This needs more work.
- What if video sites included an open source video editor--either a web application or something downloadable? That would make sense...really make people consumer/creators.
- Theora/open video standards need development and adoption
- Firefox 3 will support?
- Feature request: Have a "license" code along with the timecode, so you could differentiate between parts of a video that are fully CC'ed and parts that are samples of others, etc.
What are each of us interested in talking about?
- Sharon -- legal implications
- Karen --distribution models
- Annie -- documentary filmmakers, why aren't we talking about free video among the community?
- Zack -- So much free and open media, you can almost drown in it; Models for video makers, sustainability; having people participate
- Jacob -- avenues for distribution
- Rebecca -- curatorial aspect; now that you have all of this content, how can people find things?; Democracy player -- channels/RSS feeds; funding and bringing people in to the free culture world; Are people using keynote and other FOSS editors?
- Mika -- Making video classes; what are the problems about free video and how are people solving that?
- Elizabeth -- PD film archives; reaching out to filmmakers/video makers to use it; raise awareness; getting filmmakers to use free licenses
- Dean -- similar to Zack; free beer vs. free speech on video; ad-based models on the airwaves, but free of charge; resources for people who are transitioning to new media are supporting themselves and using new models
- Ben -- reaching out to community of filmmakers; Aggregate information that is relevant;
- Media is a cultural artifact that is created by "creators"; filmmakers, artists, people that produce media; transmitting culture for others to see and access; distribution is process after you've created something to "give it out"
What is/isn't working for people?
- many people in workshop have put their video on the net
- Karen--intro to video class; had to create short videos; tried to put them on YT, user reg wasn't working; put them on google video; edited with Final Cut Pro
- FOSS video editing?; lack of good FOSS video editing; Kino; Ben--> New Ubuntu Studio
- Agree as a group that we don't have sufficient free software video editing tools
- Issues with Flash player; YT; Theora;
- Dean--video tag in ffx 3 and new opera; video tag that supports ogg theora;
- Issues of licensing w/ YT, Gvideo, source; Issues w/ Archive.org; Simplicity of YT; YT limits of 100mb/10min;
- Dean--Flash may increase accessibility to some?
- Rebecca--people want to embed video
- Zack--more work to deal with different Codecs, etc.; need easier compromise
- Sharon--all artists are facing problem of medium; help artists if they got together more and had a cooperative project where someone else could deal with distribution/platform issues
- Rebecca--even once it's up, it's a lot more difficult to promote video than to upload it; wants to see more "channels"
- Elizabeth--issues with aggregation; finding the "needle in the haystack"; how do you sort through thousands of videos?
- Dean--answer may be partially in video blogs; they're not as good with blogrolls; they can serve as recommendation tools; blogroll is built on a more open architecture; with YT favs it's only limited to the site itself
- Ben--some infrastructure may be there; YouTube users have favorites
- Rebecca--users can also make their own channels; you want there to be far fewer channels than the number of users
- Annie--do we want to recreate the model of TV with a small number of channels? new tool that was generally ranking users (does anyone know the name?)
- Zack--paradigm issue; are we going to return to the system of channels? historical moment of the internet as a diaspora; "you have reached the end of the internet.."; that's an impossible thing; sprawling; is FC better off that model?; is it also more free?; as soon as we get into watching channels then we get into a "state radio system"; internet doesn't help us
- Elizabeth--mentioning Joost; ARR and proprietary; trying to recreate TV for the internet; do we want TV for the internet or is it an inherently different medium?
- Dean--there will be channels on the internet that will become huge; more potential for a greater voice than traditional broadcast mediums
- Karen--you can't go without filters; right now they're not institutionalized; she looks at videos that her friends sent to her; friends are her filter; when people first brought up channels she thought of Democracy Player; doesn't see channel as a threat so long as anyone can make one b/c we need filters
- Rebecca--channels can also be a solution as opposed to a threat; can limit the hassle of dealing with multiple sites and codecs, etc.; maybe you can upload your video to a channel that would then distribute it; channels as an avenue for collaboration between artists
- Sharon--channels could be like a middleperson/agent; creators only have so much time even if the technology there and they'd rather spend it creating their work
- Annie--money is always an issue and can be a limiting factor; if people had more funding they may have more time to deal with these issues
- Karen--interesting NYT article; you make music and you update your blog; this isn't necessarily bad
- Rebecca--channel frederator, curates 30 minute animation programs and distributes them online
- Zack--do we need a hierarchical model for picking favorites?
- Karen--as long as everyone has the ability to make a cut, things are fine; create a CC channel to aggregate CC videos
Models for Sustainability
- Ad/revenue share -- blip.tv; revver;
- Mika -- Blip was hard to navigate
- Ad/revenue share -- blip.tv; revver;
- Compromise is putting the license in the description